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Bob Alpacadaca wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:08 pm
Frayed Knot wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:44 pm Difference between 21st century baseball vs 20th century ... 1900s pitchers didn't see #8 & #9 hitters who could do that!
Confession: I don’t hate the DH and all that it brings as much as I thought.
Obviously the DH is part of it but it's not just that.
Neither guy is tall, but Seaver et al weren't seeing 5' 11" / 233 and 5' 8" / 187 with that kind of pop as the supposed two worst hitters on the team.
The 8th hitter was more likely to be a 5' 10" / 175 middle infielder back then.

And, yes, the DH still suxx.
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Frayed Knot wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:17 pm Neither guy is tall, but Seaver et al weren't seeing 5' 11" / 233 and 5' 8" / 187 with that kind of pop as the supposed two worst hitters on the team.
The 8th hitter was more likely to be a 5' 10" / 175 middle infielder back then.

Put another way, and just looking at the #8 slot to take the DH factor out:
2024 HRs from 8th slot = 437
1974 HRs from 8th slot = 123

Now there fewer teams in '74 therefore right about 20% fewer PAs so that bumps the 1974 figure to 148
which puts the HR rate this season at just under triple what it was back then.
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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:35 pm

Yeah, the DH is folly compounded upon folly.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:36 pm

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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:41 pm

That ball going into the stands might have cost the Mets two runs. I was thinking inside-the-parker off the bat.
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That could have been three bases without the bounce into the stands ... that could have been Four bases.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:53 pm

Four Ks for Vientos and I'm not sure if he's even seen 15 total pitches
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Post by Frayed Knot » Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:57 pm

A ROCKET off the bat of Nimmo!!
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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:57 pm

Nimmo attacking the first pitch is working against his strength.

Love what he did after that, though.
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Post by Chad ochoseis » Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:57 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:41 pm That could have been three bases without the bounce into the stands ... that could have been Four bases.
One baseball rule I've never understood is only allowing two bases for a ball that bounces over the fence.

And, given how crappily pitchers can control their pitches, maybe penalize HBP more. Not that Kerkering threw at Pete, but that was a Nuke Laloosh pitch.

And Nimmo takes care of penalizing him more, rules or not!
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Post by Frayed Knot » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:02 pm

Alvarez looked terrible that whole AB ... and he winds up the hero.
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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:04 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:02 pm Alvarez looked terrible that whole AB ... and he winds up the hero.
Didn't look very good even when he broke through, but strong is strong.
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Chad ochoseis wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:57 pm
Frayed Knot wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:41 pm That could have been three bases without the bounce into the stands ... that could have been Four bases.
One baseball rule I've never understood is only allowing two bases for a ball that bounces over the fence.
Something like fan interference is subject to umpire judgement.
But a ball bouncing out of play falls under the designation of 'Grounds Rule' so it's an automatic call.
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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:08 pm

Manaea in the eighth ... aaaand here's the hook.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:09 pm

With a three run lead, I would have given Manaea more than one batter.

Zach Wheeler pitching tomorrow just adds to the Yuge-Ness of this game.
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Sale is expected to go Tuesday

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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:14 pm

Surprised to see Garrett before Buttissimo.
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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:22 pm

Squeaky butts all over the place.
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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:28 pm

That's a rough day, there, Mark.
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Post by ashie62 » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:28 pm

Philly blunder!

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Post by Frayed Knot » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:29 pm

Philly IF Defense = Real Good
Philly OF Defense = Not
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Post by Chad ochoseis » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:29 pm

The baseball gods are on the right side today.
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Post by Fman99 » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:29 pm

Wow lucky bloop ! All the better with the big bats coming up in the 9th here
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Post by Edgy MD » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:31 pm

Hey! Texas-Leaguers are still legal!!
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