IGT Election 11/5/24 Harris vs Trump

[MFS62]

I don't believe it was race or gender as much as the Democratic party got caught up in the culture wars and forgot to talk to the average people to find out what was on their minds. If they had, they would have found that it was the cost of food and everything else. They couldn't get the point across that the GOP tariffs would make those costs higher.
Because that is macroeconomics, way over the head on most voters. That stuff doesn't matter to the average Joe in the street who is more concerned with microeconomics. They didn't talk with the people to find out what weas important to them because they were spending too much time trying to educate them.
They talked to the educated elites and theoreticians on both coasts and ignored the practical people in the middle. If they had talked bread and butter issues and how she would make this better, it wouldn't have mattered if she was Purple. This might have been different.
Since 2016, The democratic party has had trouble finding a meaningful message and staying on it. This was just more of the same.

Later

[Centerfield]

Well, sadly millions of people could and likely will lose their health insurance by the end of 2025 as subsidies built into the American rescue plan will probably not be extended, vote against yourself

What's weird is that many of the people who voted for Trump seem to be more likely to be negatively affected by his election than those who voted against him. (At least financially. Not reproductively.)

absolutely. all of this. it's why it's the most frustrating thing. even for americans whose vote was driven by purely self-serving motives, they're shooting their own dicks off.

Their fear, insecurity and hate have been riled up and fed so that they can't see anything beyond their grievances. Not even that they're acting against their own self interest.

And now they're too proud to admit that they were duped.

It will be interesting to see what Donald Trump is like now that he no longer needs their votes.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Well, sadly millions of people could and likely will lose their health insurance by the end of 2025 as subsidies built into the American rescue plan will probably not be extended, vote against yourself

If you'll recall, the GOP was able to pass the madman's tax cuts in 2017 only through the reconciliation process, a Senate procedure that allows certain proposed legislation to bypass the filibuster. The GOP will almost certainly have to kill the filibuster to pass most of its agenda, (assuming it holds the House). I don't know what it will take for the Dems to finally get it. It's still Charlie Brown getting the football pulled away at the last second. It's not enough to have "the power" in today's politics. You also have to wield the power ruthlessly while you have it. Can somebody tell me how the hell the Dems are going to make up the lost Senate seats in deep red WV, Ohio and Montana? They're just bad at politics.

[batmagadanleadoff]

i think that (one of) the biggest colossal failure of the democrats may just be that in being so seemingly focused on how to improve the situations of all the others out there, they forgot to drive home the message of how, in helping "others" we help ourselves too.

that dignity and respect and civil rights are not a zero-sum game.

but also that, in helping the others we strengthen "us"

we are not taking away from "us" but are instead rising the tide that lifts all ships.

and part of that, in addition to the chockablock progressiveness of inclusion, diversity, equality, etc, is that economic policies embraced by the left by and large affect and improve the lives of all americans. and in fact especially the downtrodden "true americans" in the middle stretches of the country.

the economic messaging is lost, and obscured. it's gotta be more than just talking about taxing the rich and going after corporations. but empowering blue collar workers, small businesses, family farms, small-town entrepreneurs, and the like. because i do think that a lot of the economic messaging that the republican party makes bank on is deregulation - and small businesses bear the brunt of regulations far moreso than large.

the republican party is great at winning that sort of messaging. no matter that republican policies kill small businesses, blue collar workers, etc. they sound good. and maybe the price of a shitty chinese hammer in walmart ticks down and everybody cheers. well, except for the small independent hardware store down the road that has no hope to compete. and then we all wonder why the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer - and more numerous.

democrats really need to figure out their messaging, to give america back to the american people, instead of the billionaires and tycoons that own it now.

Too complicated. An effective message has to be able to be understood by a fucking idiot. I wasn't looking to offend anybody or to be snarky right there. Just saying it like it is.

[batmagadanleadoff]

i think that (one of) the biggest colossal failure of the democrats may just be that in being so seemingly focused on how to improve the situations of all the others out there, they forgot to drive home the message of how, in helping "others" we help ourselves too.

that dignity and respect and civil rights are not a zero-sum game.

but also that, in helping the others we strengthen "us"

we are not taking away from "us" but are instead rising the tide that lifts all ships.

and part of that, in addition to the chockablock progressiveness of inclusion, diversity, equality, etc, is that economic policies embraced by the left by and large affect and improve the lives of all americans. and in fact especially the downtrodden "true americans" in the middle stretches of the country.

the economic messaging is lost, and obscured. it's gotta be more than just talking about taxing the rich and going after corporations. but empowering blue collar workers, small businesses, family farms, small-town entrepreneurs, and the like. because i do think that a lot of the economic messaging that the republican party makes bank on is deregulation - and small businesses bear the brunt of regulations far moreso than large.

the republican party is great at winning that sort of messaging. no matter that republican policies kill small businesses, blue collar workers, etc. they sound good. and maybe the price of a shitty chinese hammer in walmart ticks down and everybody cheers. well, except for the small independent hardware store down the road that has no hope to compete. and then we all wonder why the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer - and more numerous.

democrats really need to figure out their messaging, to give america back to the american people, instead of the billionaires and tycoons that own it now.

Too complicated. An effective message has to be able to be understood by a fucking idiot. I wasn't looking to offend anybody or to be snarky right there. Just saying it like it is.

When the Dems said that the economy was now great, voters then asked: "So why am I paying eight dollars for a dozen eggs?". And the Dem response to that was such that you needed a Master's degree in Economics to figure out. Wanna know what works? A 10 second video sound bite of Kamala promising to fund sex change operations for incarcerated convicted murderers. (Works for the GOP, anyways). My heart dropped out of my body when I first saw that ad.

[rchurch314]

It will be interesting to see what Donald Trump is like now that he no longer needs their votes.

Why wouldn't he need their votes? It's unlikely they're just going to fully abolish elections. They'll continue on with the same ones, ala Nazi Germany, Russia, whatever. They'll continue to rig it, as they have for decades, but they probably won't get to the point where they don't actually need those people to come vote next time.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I think that CF meant that he's a lame duck. He's not eligible to run for President ever again so he won't be looking to win the country's votes the next time around.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I think that CF meant that he's a lame duck. He's not eligible to run for President ever again so he won't be looking to win the country's votes the next time around.

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But who the fuck knows? Maybe he'll have this disgrace of a Supreme Court rule that the madman can continue to hold the Presidency beyond 2028. After the Trump immunity decision, anything is possible.

[rchurch314]

I think that CF meant that he's a lame duck. He's not eligible to run for President ever again so he won't be looking to win the country's votes the next time around.

Who exactly is going to stop him? At least one state tried to keep him off the ballot this year didn't they? And were overruled?

primaries are not 'elections for the president' and obviously party controlled. So what happens when he wins the primary? Are any of the states going to be able to keep him off the ballot, essentially running the Democrat uncontested?

And then okay he can be on the ballot but the amendment says he can't be elected. Will we just not count/report those votes? What happens if/when it's clear he "got more votes"? He's just going to shrug and leave or he's going to shout about will of the people?

Of course, he's a senile decaying corpse. He could drop dead tomorrow. Does it really matter which fascist is in power? "mass deportation" is going to be a parallel operation with purging the voter roles of democrats.

[whippoorwill]

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i think that (one of) the biggest colossal failure of the democrats may just be that in being so seemingly focused on how to improve the situations of all the others out there, they forgot to drive home the message of how, in helping "others" we help ourselves too.

that dignity and respect and civil rights are not a zero-sum game.

but also that, in helping the others we strengthen "us"

we are not taking away from "us" but are instead rising the tide that lifts all ships.

and part of that, in addition to the chockablock progressiveness of inclusion, diversity, equality, etc, is that economic policies embraced by the left by and large affect and improve the lives of all americans. and in fact especially the downtrodden "true americans" in the middle stretches of the country.

the economic messaging is lost, and obscured. it's gotta be more than just talking about taxing the rich and going after corporations. but empowering blue collar workers, small businesses, family farms, small-town entrepreneurs, and the like. because i do think that a lot of the economic messaging that the republican party makes bank on is deregulation - and small businesses bear the brunt of regulations far moreso than large.

the republican party is great at winning that sort of messaging. no matter that republican policies kill small businesses, blue collar workers, etc. they sound good. and maybe the price of a shitty chinese hammer in walmart ticks down and everybody cheers. well, except for the small independent hardware store down the road that has no hope to compete. and then we all wonder why the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer - and more numerous.

democrats really need to figure out their messaging, to give america back to the american people, instead of the billionaires and tycoons that own it now.

Too complicated. An effective message has to be able to be understood by a fucking idiot. I wasn't looking to offend anybody or to be snarky right there. Just saying it like it is.
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When the Dems said that the economy was now great, voters then asked: "So why am I paying eight dollars for a dozen eggs?". And the Dem response to that was such that you needed a Master's degree in Economics to figure out. Wanna know what works? A 10 second video sound bite of Kamala promising to fund sex change operations for incarcerated convicted murderers. (Works for the GOP, anyways). My heart dropped out of my body when I first saw that ad.
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i think that (one of) the biggest colossal failure of the democrats may just be that in being so seemingly focused on how to improve the situations of all the others out there, they forgot to drive home the message of how, in helping "others" we help ourselves too.

that dignity and respect and civil rights are not a zero-sum game.

but also that, in helping the others we strengthen "us"

we are not taking away from "us" but are instead rising the tide that lifts all ships.

and part of that, in addition to the chockablock progressiveness of inclusion, diversity, equality, etc, is that economic policies embraced by the left by and large affect and improve the lives of all americans. and in fact especially the downtrodden "true americans" in the middle stretches of the country.

the economic messaging is lost, and obscured. it's gotta be more than just talking about taxing the rich and going after corporations. but empowering blue collar workers, small businesses, family farms, small-town entrepreneurs, and the like. because i do think that a lot of the economic messaging that the republican party makes bank on is deregulation - and small businesses bear the brunt of regulations far moreso than large.

the republican party is great at winning that sort of messaging. no matter that republican policies kill small businesses, blue collar workers, etc. they sound good. and maybe the price of a shitty chinese hammer in walmart ticks down and everybody cheers. well, except for the small independent hardware store down the road that has no hope to compete. and then we all wonder why the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer - and more numerous.

democrats really need to figure out their messaging, to give america back to the american people, instead of the billionaires and tycoons that own it now.

Too complicated. An effective message has to be able to be understood by a fucking idiot. I wasn't looking to offend anybody or to be snarky right there. Just saying it like it is.

When the Dems said that the economy was now great, voters then asked: "So why am I paying eight dollars for a dozen eggs?". And the Dem response to that was such that you needed a Master's degree in Economics to figure out. Wanna know what works? A 10 second video sound bite of Kamala promising to fund sex change operations for incarcerated convicted murderers. (Works for the GOP, anyways). My heart dropped out of my body when I first saw that ad.

Me too. I said to my husband ‘now how far out of context is THAT?!?’

Then I fact checked it.

[MFS62]

Ex- Obama advisor David Axelrod shares our view that the Democrats didn't listen to the issues important to the average voter and were talking down to them.

“I do have concerns about the way the Democratic Party relates to working-class voters in this country,” Axelrod told broadcaster Anderson Cooper on CNN. “The only group that Democrats gained with in the election on Tuesday was white college graduates. And among working-class voters, there was a significant decline.”
“You can’t approach working people like missionaries and say, ‘We’re here to help you become more like us.’ There’s a kind of unspoken disdain, unintended disdain in that,” he said.

“I think Biden has done programmatically some good things for working people. But the party itself has increasingly become a smarty-pants, suburban, college-educated party, and it lends itself to the kind of backlash that we’ve seen.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/david-ax ... 41587e9a38

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[metirish]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ction-loss

Pelosi knows about hanging on too long

[Centerfield]

Looks like the House is gonna go to Republicans too.

Free reign. No guardrails. Let’s see what happens.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Looks like the House is gonna go to Republicans too.

Free reign. No guardrails. Let’s see what happens.

The icing on this shitcake will be if the GOP flips the Arizona US Senate seat and super-scumbag Kari Lake wins there.

[MFS62]

The icing on this shitcake will be if the GOP flips the Arizona US Senate seat and super-scumbag Kari Lake wins there.

Don't worry. She wouldn't stay in the Senate long. He'll name her to the Cabinet - Secretary of Animal Rescue?

Later

[rchurch314]

Looks like the House is gonna go to Republicans too.

Free reign. No guardrails. Let’s see what happens.

Lots (more) state-sanctioned murder mostly.

[batmagadanleadoff]

The icing on this shitcake will be if the GOP flips the Arizona US Senate seat and super-scumbag Kari Lake wins there.

Don't worry. She wouldn't stay in the Senate long. He'll name her to the Cabinet - Secretary of Animal Rescue?

Later

I think you have Lake mixed up with SD Governor, Kristi Noem, who underwent a full facial metamorphosis -- plastic surgery, facial reconstruction, Hollywood white veneers, nose job, Botox and either a wig or hair extensions. Noem doesn't look like herself anymore.

Before:


After:

[MFS62]

You're fight. I can't keep those loonies straight.
Noem is crazy.
Lake is just nutz.

People going into witness protection have had less plastic surgery than her.
Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

Looks like the House is gonna go to Republicans too.

Free reign. No guardrails. Let’s see what happens.

The icing on this shitcake will be if the GOP flips the Arizona US Senate seat and super-scumbag Kari Lake wins there.

And Kari Lake won't be going to DC after all. So there's that. The Senate is set at 53-47, GOP. So the Dems are gonna hafta flip four GOP votes to block a simple GOP majority in the Senate. I thought this race would be a cakewalk for the Dems but given how the whole election turned out, I'd have to say that the Dems are very fortunate to have won the AZ Senate race.

Also, maybe someone wants to run a welfare check on Lefty?

[batmagadanleadoff]

I heard today that one of the most popular Google searches right after the election was "What is Trump deportation?" and "What will Trump do with Obamacare and Medicaid?" or words to that effect. The theory is not that his voters don't give a shit as to what the madman might do. The theory is that they're so fucking stupid or uninformed or both that they're just starting to find now after voting for him what a second madman term might actually mean.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, those searches might have been done by people who didn't expect him to be elected.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Well, those searches might have been done by people who didn't expect him to be elected.

That's what I thought. How do they know who was doing the searches? Maybe they do? Maybe they can tell from other searches they've ran? Is that possible? If you had a history of somebody's searches, you'd know an awful lot about that person.

[metirish]

Interesting

[batmagadanleadoff]

This just in:

Harris won the demographic of incarcerated felons seeking sex-change operations.

(But only in states where incarcerated felons are allowed to vote.)

[rchurch314]

Interesting

Fascism is a scare word. Actual dead people in Gaza and "we gave billions to war efforts" with rampant price increases and the only counter is "but wall street says the economy is good!" make impressions.

Blatantly obvious of course.

This just in:

Harris won the demographic of incarcerated felons seeking sex-change operations.

(But only in states where incarcerated felons are allowed to vote.)

And it's certainly not those ads.

Fun fact, the new york ballot measure protecting trans people got more support than Suozzi.