Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
The Mets have rolled a lot of snake-eyes trying to develop a starting catcher in the first quintile of this century. You can go back to Jason Phillips and Vance Wilson, and throw in Josh Thole, Travis d'Arnaud, Kevin Plawecki, along with guys who barely saw daylight (Juan Centeno), guys who only saw a gleam or two after sailing on to other seas (Drew Butera, Francisco Peña). And then there's the guys still floating underneath (Ali Sanchez, Patrick Mazeika).
So yeah, another Francisco makes it feel even more like we've been down this road. It's hard to develop MLB starting catchers. At least part of that is something that's hard to teach. Have a guy who can show up ,and either through the charisma of Piazza or the red-ass of Grote, impress upon everybody that he's calling the shots, and he says go fuck yourself if you don't see it that way, even if he's 23 and hitting .220.
The caste system of today's game makes it hard for a young guy to just show up and step in like that. Butera and Peña, both being sons of longtime big-leaguers, would seemingly be as good as any to land like that, but neither had the offense to escape backup status even after they left the Mets.
So, having the juice to take charge among players with stature and tenure seemingly being a prerequisite of the job, the 21st Century Mets have been modestly more successful importing vets (Lo Duca, Buck, Buffalo) who can arrive as equals. Also, the ones who stick are the ones who find away to take the punishment four days in five and not let their bat fall into a black hole. No small matter even for the guys who hit in the minors. Catching's tough.
So, yeah, that's a long-winded way of saying it's really stupid to pin my hopes on young Francisco Alvarez. But he needed a home, and I found a place in my heart. He's still but a teenager, but he already has the catcherly frame (officially 5''11" and 220) that Travis d'Arnaud was never going to have. He was pushed so obscenely hard in his rookie year, skipping the DSL and going straight to stateside at only 17 with the GCL Mets, that you would have expected him to take his lumps and take them repeatedly. Instead, he fucking toyed with the league, hitting .462 / .548 / .846 / 1.395 in his first seven games, with two homers.
Look at those numbers and try not to drool. The Mets, amazingly, looked at him and said, "Fuck it, let's push him harder," and sent him to the Appy League. He took a few games to get going, but even there, as the very youngest player in the league, he pushed people around, copied their homework, stole their lunch money, and stepped on all their blue suede shoes, and simply gave not a single shit. He hit .282 / .377 / .443 / .820 with five more home runs in 35 games.
Did I mention that he was the only 17-year-old in the league? I don't think I did, but I alluded to it. Implied it.
it was a sorry situation. All the girls swooned and all the guys felt like shit because their girls all looked at them in a new light. A yellowy light. Like they were suddenly all defective giveaways and Francisco was the only prize to be had. Alvarez didn't give a shit. He didn't even take advantage of his newfound popularity with the ladies. He was too busy passing through Kingsport to even get anything started. All the guys hated him but respected him, and at the end of the day, he invited anybody who had a problem to meet him at the flagpole, and nobody would ever, ever show.
So yeah, eyes were on him. God knows how anybody's going to track minor leaguers this season, but Keith Law, Rany Jazayerli, and Casey Kasem's ghost all saw him moving toward their Hot 100s. Would the Mets have stayed aggressive and had him bypass Brooklyn to send him on to full season ball? God help me, but I think they would have. Look at him turn on this pitch:
Look at the catcher's glove and see how inside that pitch is, but like the David Wright worshipper I'm raising this guy to be, he keeps his hands in tight, and is quick through the zone.
And let's turn out the lights and get a little pornagraphic here. Tell me those aren't the legs of a major league catcher. Tell me that isn't the ass of a major league catcher. He's years from the big leagues and there are no big leagues any way this year, and certainly no All-Star team, but that ass is already a Major League All Star.
So get out of here with your crappy adoptees. Your relief pitchers and toolsy infielders. Yeah, they may make it to the bigs someday, but when they get there, it'll be Francisco Alvarez calling the shots.
So yeah, another Francisco makes it feel even more like we've been down this road. It's hard to develop MLB starting catchers. At least part of that is something that's hard to teach. Have a guy who can show up ,and either through the charisma of Piazza or the red-ass of Grote, impress upon everybody that he's calling the shots, and he says go fuck yourself if you don't see it that way, even if he's 23 and hitting .220.
The caste system of today's game makes it hard for a young guy to just show up and step in like that. Butera and Peña, both being sons of longtime big-leaguers, would seemingly be as good as any to land like that, but neither had the offense to escape backup status even after they left the Mets.
So, having the juice to take charge among players with stature and tenure seemingly being a prerequisite of the job, the 21st Century Mets have been modestly more successful importing vets (Lo Duca, Buck, Buffalo) who can arrive as equals. Also, the ones who stick are the ones who find away to take the punishment four days in five and not let their bat fall into a black hole. No small matter even for the guys who hit in the minors. Catching's tough.
So, yeah, that's a long-winded way of saying it's really stupid to pin my hopes on young Francisco Alvarez. But he needed a home, and I found a place in my heart. He's still but a teenager, but he already has the catcherly frame (officially 5''11" and 220) that Travis d'Arnaud was never going to have. He was pushed so obscenely hard in his rookie year, skipping the DSL and going straight to stateside at only 17 with the GCL Mets, that you would have expected him to take his lumps and take them repeatedly. Instead, he fucking toyed with the league, hitting .462 / .548 / .846 / 1.395 in his first seven games, with two homers.
Look at those numbers and try not to drool. The Mets, amazingly, looked at him and said, "Fuck it, let's push him harder," and sent him to the Appy League. He took a few games to get going, but even there, as the very youngest player in the league, he pushed people around, copied their homework, stole their lunch money, and stepped on all their blue suede shoes, and simply gave not a single shit. He hit .282 / .377 / .443 / .820 with five more home runs in 35 games.
Did I mention that he was the only 17-year-old in the league? I don't think I did, but I alluded to it. Implied it.
it was a sorry situation. All the girls swooned and all the guys felt like shit because their girls all looked at them in a new light. A yellowy light. Like they were suddenly all defective giveaways and Francisco was the only prize to be had. Alvarez didn't give a shit. He didn't even take advantage of his newfound popularity with the ladies. He was too busy passing through Kingsport to even get anything started. All the guys hated him but respected him, and at the end of the day, he invited anybody who had a problem to meet him at the flagpole, and nobody would ever, ever show.
So yeah, eyes were on him. God knows how anybody's going to track minor leaguers this season, but Keith Law, Rany Jazayerli, and Casey Kasem's ghost all saw him moving toward their Hot 100s. Would the Mets have stayed aggressive and had him bypass Brooklyn to send him on to full season ball? God help me, but I think they would have. Look at him turn on this pitch:
Look at the catcher's glove and see how inside that pitch is, but like the David Wright worshipper I'm raising this guy to be, he keeps his hands in tight, and is quick through the zone.
And let's turn out the lights and get a little pornagraphic here. Tell me those aren't the legs of a major league catcher. Tell me that isn't the ass of a major league catcher. He's years from the big leagues and there are no big leagues any way this year, and certainly no All-Star team, but that ass is already a Major League All Star.
So get out of here with your crappy adoptees. Your relief pitchers and toolsy infielders. Yeah, they may make it to the bigs someday, but when they get there, it'll be Francisco Alvarez calling the shots.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
He'll be battling my adoptee Andres Regnault on his way up through the system. I think he also has the stuff to make it to the bigs.
BTW, you forgot the underwhelming Doc Doyle on that list.
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BTW, you forgot the underwhelming Doc Doyle on that list.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
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Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
He does have a nice ass.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
He has been added to the Mets 60 man player pool, so he could be called up this crazy season.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
He could, but I think they're adding a lot of high end prospects who are still way down on the totem pole, just so they can get the supervision of the top development instructors. They added Matthew Allen, and he's only thrown 10 innings outside of high school.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
I shuddered when he was brought up and one writer said that means they are now eligible to be traded. Nothing in the rules says that, but with Brodie, you never know about prospects.Edgy MD wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:19 pm He could, but I think they're adding a lot of high end prospects who are still way down on the totem pole, just so they can get the supervision of the top development instructors. They added Matthew Allen, and he's only thrown 10 innings outside of high school.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Having missed time due to the utter absence of minor league baseball in the US in 2020, #2 Mets prospect Francisco Alvarez will try and make some of that up in Australia this winter, having signed to play for the ABL's Sydney Blue Sox.
A more surprising signing with the Blue Sox this offseason has been 48-year-old 12-time MLB All-Star Manny Ramirez.
A more surprising signing with the Blue Sox this offseason has been 48-year-old 12-time MLB All-Star Manny Ramirez.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Alvarez has not appeared in the first two games between Sydney and Melbourne, and it looks like the third game (and more?) are going to be scrapped due to COVID-19 concerns.
Additionally, the Blue Sox have announced that Manny Ramirez will not be appearing for the team after all, due to un-named medical concerns, which are not deemed to be life-threatening and are not COVID-related.
Additionally, the Blue Sox have announced that Manny Ramirez will not be appearing for the team after all, due to un-named medical concerns, which are not deemed to be life-threatening and are not COVID-related.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
It seems Alvarez' season down unda is also ending before it begins. Having been unable to get home to Venezuela in 2020 due to COVID restrictions, the Mets were able to get him a visa to see his family for the holidays. Whatever wisdom such a move does or doesn't have, that keeps him ineligible to visit Australia for a long enough duration that the Blue Sox have announced he wont be playing for them after all.
Still want to follow some Met prospect action in the Southern Hemisphere? You can still follow the Blue Sox who are deploying Carlos Cortes, a secondbaseman who is about the 15th-ranked prospect; and Manny Rodriguez, a shortstop most recently in St. Loo, among others.
Still want to follow some Met prospect action in the Southern Hemisphere? You can still follow the Blue Sox who are deploying Carlos Cortes, a secondbaseman who is about the 15th-ranked prospect; and Manny Rodriguez, a shortstop most recently in St. Loo, among others.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Think of Alvarez as missing a couple of years to covid like being away for military service. Better now at 17 than say 25.
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Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Wait. Alvarez is "missing a couple of years to covid"?
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
He's on the top 10 list of catching prospects.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-francisco ... 43535.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-francisco ... 43535.html
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
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Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
I would guess he's destined for St. Lucie this year, assuming there's a minor league season?
A rough estimate of his ETA suggests the Mets may be able to start phasing him in as they start phasing James McCann out.
A rough estimate of his ETA suggests the Mets may be able to start phasing him in as they start phasing James McCann out.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Just saw on BMFS's thread that Keith Law named him the 19th best prospect on his top 100 list.
The lists I've seen project his ML debut in 2023.
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The lists I've seen project his ML debut in 2023.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
He opened with a 4 for 5 at St. Lucie.
Of course, he didn't play in the second game (they played a last year draftee at catcher), but he went 1 for 4 in their third game.
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Of course, he didn't play in the second game (they played a last year draftee at catcher), but he went 1 for 4 in their third game.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Alvarez went 2-6 with a three-run homer as the designated hitter this afternoon.
This, amazingly, brought all his numbers ... down — most of them anyhow — with a slashy line that now sits at .417 / .567 / .646 // 1.213 through 63 plate appearances.
This, amazingly, brought all his numbers ... down — most of them anyhow — with a slashy line that now sits at .417 / .567 / .646 // 1.213 through 63 plate appearances.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
SNY reporting that Alvarez is being promoted to High-A Brooklyn.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
That'll put him, Baty, and Mauricio in the same lineup.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
My daughter is getting tickets for us to see Binghamton (AA) at Hartford in August.
I hope to see at least one of them promoted to that level by then. It would keep my streak going for seeing at least one future Met playing in AA ball each time I've gone to one of their games. (From Veras, Vina and Husky, through Ike Davis to Gimemez) There isn't anyone else now playing at Binghamton I'm confident I'll see in the majors.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
I would guess it's massively improbable to see a AA team — even a 2-15 one — that doesn't have at least one player with a big league future of some sort ahead of him.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
I said one that I'm confident I'll be seeing in the Majors.
Third baseman Mark Vientos is on many Mets top 10 prospect lists, but is hovering around the Mendoza line so far this season. And he may be passed by Baty as as third base prospect very soon. To put it another way, none that I see as a sure-fire bet to make it, or adopt.
None of the position players on Binghamton have been impressive so far. But I'll give you a "yet" on this.
And there may be a pitcher or two who might make it.
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Third baseman Mark Vientos is on many Mets top 10 prospect lists, but is hovering around the Mendoza line so far this season. And he may be passed by Baty as as third base prospect very soon. To put it another way, none that I see as a sure-fire bet to make it, or adopt.
None of the position players on Binghamton have been impressive so far. But I'll give you a "yet" on this.
And there may be a pitcher or two who might make it.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Francisco has moved up from 39 to 21 on the most recent Baseball America top 100 prospects list.
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
Francisco Alvarez back in the lineup tonight. Has a walk, a run scored, and an RBI, midway through the sixth.
Re: Adopted: Francisco Alvarez
From SNY:
Mets top prospects Francisco Alvarez and Brett Baty will be representing New York in the SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game on July 11 in Colorado, MLB announced on Wednesday. [Alvarez was raking with the St. Lucie Mets over his first 15 games of the year, owning a .417/.567/.646 slash line with two homers, five doubles and 12 RBI. He quickly moved up to High-A Brooklyn where he is hitting .267/.379/.570 with six dingers and 19 RBI over 27 games./quote]
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I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.