Donald Trump in Hot Water

[batmagadanleadoff]

Good news out today for all of you fans of comeuppance.

And the Supreme Court Judges he pushed for have been giving him something in return - the finger.
Love it.

Those judges belong to McConnell. Trump can hardly pick his nose, let alone SC justices. They are Mitch's judges flipping off Trump, who was Mitch's toady all along. ... and he never saw it coming.

That's what I always say: they're Mitch's judges. Hey, good to see you back here. What a coincidence.

[Edgy MD]

For no clear reason, I went looking for Jean Carroll's appearance on Card Sharks, and, well, I guess everything is out there waiting to be found.

[Double Switch]

Good news out today for all of you fans of comeuppance.

And the Supreme Court Judges he pushed for have been giving him something in return - the finger.
Love it.

Those judges belong to McConnell. Trump can hardly pick his nose, let alone SC justices. They are Mitch's judges flipping off Trump, who was Mitch's toady all along. ... and he never saw it coming.

That's what I always say: they're Mitch's judges. Hey, good to see you back here. What a coincidence.

I may be "back" so to speak but I've never truly been away. Just keeping it to myself - however, I enjoy voting in the polls, particularly the tabloid covers, so I have been up to that. But - and I beg pardon of MFS62 since I figured he knows where I stand on this - I could not resist another whack at McConnell.

So much has changed over the past year of isolation - I had to look up when I last posted - maybe I'll shoot my mouth off more than once in a year.

[MFS62]

If you are going to drop your cloak of invisibility I can think of no greater reason than to take a whack at McConnell.
Welcome.

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[Double Switch]

If you are going to drop your cloak of invisibility I can think of no greater reason than to take a whack at McConnell.

I knew you would agree!

[Benjamin Grimm]

Here is an amazing summary of every case, both civil and criminal, pending against Trump. Fascinating read.

https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/liti ... ald-trump/

[MFS62]

Here is an amazing summary of every case, both civil and criminal, pending against Trump. Fascinating read.

https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/liti ... ald-trump/

Wow!
The penalty in several of those cases would just be money. Other reports have said when he needs cash he sells off or refinances one of his properties.
It will be interesting to see whether, and which, financial institutions will continue to throw their money down the black hole of his financial situation.
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[Lefty Specialist]

Yeah, guess I originally put that in the wrong thread.

The thing is, if even a little of this sticks and results in verdicts against Trump, the GQP has tied themselves so tightly to him that they can't get away even if they want to.an And judging by CPAC, they don't want to.

The financial verdicts will get covered by all the money he's raising from the rubes for his 'PAC'. It's the criminal ones that'll be interesting. I still don't see how he spends a minute in jail, but I think that law will catch up to him sufficiently that he doesn't run in 2024. Candidates will still have to kiss his ring, though.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I still don't see how he spends a minute in jail....

Interesting. He'd still have a Secret Service detail attached to him if he's incarcerated.

No. That's an understatement.

Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.

I wonder if Trump'd have to eat prison food? Or if he'd be allowed to have his 40 oz. well done steaks and Big Macs?

[kcmets]

I doubt he'll see real time in any big house. I'm picturing 'Goodfellas' prison where
they ate their own food and had wine with dinner and did pretty much whatever they
wanted if it came to that.

[MFS62]

If he should be arrested in New York City for one of the violations (e.g.- tax fraud) he would have to spend at least one night at Riker's Island before his arraignment the following day. (It takes at least that amount of time to get on the court docket for a plea hearing) I read there is no ROR (Released on his own recognizance) in NYC .
He would have to eat, shower, and share toilet facilities with the rest of the prison population. (snicker)
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[Edgy MD]

I'm happy to root for the arrest and prosecution of the former president. I have no need to root for his rape.

[metsmarathon]

i read that as rooting for his debasement. although, it should be noted, that sharing hte shower facilities would possibly be considered cruel and unusual punishment for the rest of the inmate population.

[MFS62]

I'm happy to root for the arrest and prosecution of the former president. I have no need to root for his rape.

Nor do I. But the women he has sexually abused might feel differently.
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[batmagadanleadoff]

Yesterday, I was checking some stuff out apropos of Trump's legal problems in the state of Georgia. It occurred to me that states can also issue pardons, and Georgia, being a Republican state, run by Republicans at the state level notwithstanding the Dem twin-sweep in the recent US Senate run-offs, might pardon Trump, especially with Governor Kemp running things over there.

It turns out that Kemp can't issue state pardons. Georgia is one of three states where its Governor can't directly issue state pardons. Instead in Georgia, pardons are issued by a five-person committee. Its members, however, are appointed by the Governor to seven year terms. The appointments are staggered. I tried to determine the political composition of Georgia's parole board but was unable to do so and didn't feel like putting in more time to get this info.

So instead, I looked up the historical list of Georgia's Governors to get an idea of what that composition might be. I figured the more Republican Governors, the more Republican parole board members. That'd still be an imperfect analysis because I don't know precisely when openings on the board were filled. But I was looking for a quick and dirty analysis -- in and out.

But here's the interesting find: Georgia's last three Governors were all Republicans, dating back to the very early 2000's. There's presently a two-term limit on the Georgia Governorship. But right before that, there was an unbroken string of Democratic Georgian Governors dating all the way back to the 1870s. 1870s! That's about 125 consecutive years of Dems in Georgia's Governor's mansion.

At least there's no way in hell Trump's gonna get a New York state pardon. (But Pataki-R was a three term NY Governor).

[Edgy MD]

Georgia, for what it's worth, may be run by Republicans, but they are Republicans who had targets painted on their backs by the president's malicious and dishonest rhetoric.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Georgia's parole board has to be made up entirely of Republicans. Even if the appointments to the board are staggered, the terms being seven years means that the Governor would have to cycle through the entire board no more than every seven years. And there's been a GOP Georgia Governor for at least the last 20 years.

So I say that Trump will get a Georgia pardon if it comes to that. It'll be granted at the most politically opportune time. And the parole board gives the Governor plenty of cover even if he himself appointed the board members.

They're not scared. They've upped their voter suppression tactics and tried to pass a stupid bill limiting a state prosecutor's independence to even commence such an investigation as the present one against Trump.

[ashie62]

I read the earlier post which presented the status of ongoing Trump litigation.

My take was not of innocence or guilt, but the many years it will take to prosecute the cases.

[Lefty Specialist]

For no clear reason, I went looking for Jean Carroll's appearance on Card Sharks, and, well, I guess everything is out there waiting to be found.

Boy, that Durand is kind of a douche. Just saying.

[MFS62]

From Chip Franklin at insidthebeltway.com. I saw this on facebook as a quote from Twitter, so I have no idea how to link it.

It's occurred to me that Republicans want Cuomo out so they can replace him with a Gov who could pardon Trump for state crimes.

Interesting. And believable.
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[Edgy MD]

Is there any reason to believe Lieutenant Governor Hochul is of a mind to do such a thing?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yeah, really. It's not like the next in line is Rudy Guiliani.

[MFS62]

I ran across this on facebook this morning. There is no author cited, and since the post was shared with their friends, I can't post a link. But if anyone still supports tRump, they should read this (I know, many of his supporters would have to have it read to them).

I owe my Trump-supporting friends an apology. I’ve been critical of the Trump presidency these last four years, and am still exhausted from the experience.
But to be fair, Trump wasn’t that bad, other than when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans, separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy, tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church, tried to block all Muslims from entering the country, got impeached, got impeached again, had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history, pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden, fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, bragged about firing the FBI director on TV, took Vladimir Putin’s word over the US intelligence community, diverted military funding to build his wall, caused the longest government shutdown in US history, called Black Lives Matter a “symbol of hate,” lied nearly 30,000 times, banned transgender people from serving in the military, ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions, vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers, refused to release his tax returns, increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion, had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history, called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers, coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist, refused to concede the 2020 election, hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House, walked out of an interview with Lesley Stahl, called neo-Nazis “very fine people,” suggested that people should inject bleach into their bodies to fight COVID, abandoned our allies the Kurds to Turkey, pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans, incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic, withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords, withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China’s advances, insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter, pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op, failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies, called Haiti and African nations “shithole” countries, called the city of Baltimore the “worst in the nation,” claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase “Merry Christmas” even though it hadn’t gone anywhere, forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader, believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe, suggested the US should buy Greenland, colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges, repeatedly called the media “enemies of the people,” claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we’d have fewer cases, violated the emoluments clause, thought that Nambia was a country, told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public, called his exceedingly faithful vice president a “p---y” for following the Constitution, nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet, nominated a corrupt head of the EPA, nominated a corrupt head of HHS, nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department, nominated a corrupt head of the USDA, praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies, refused to allow the presidential transition to begin, insulted war hero John McCain – even after his death, spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president, falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote, called the Muslim mayor of London a “stone cold loser,” falsely claimed that he turned down being Time’s Man of the Year, considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions, mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID, locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones, used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the “China virus,” hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser, pardoned several of his shady associates, gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories, got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia(!), had a Secretary of State who called him a moron, forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history, botched the COVID vaccine rollout, tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him, charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties, constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate, claimed that COVID would “magically” disappear, called a U.S. Senator “Pocahontas,” used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka’s merchandise, opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling, got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers, claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US, ignored or didn’t even take part in daily intelligence briefings, blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining, redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle, got played by Kim Jung Un and his “love letters,” threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution, botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them, pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to “find” him votes, thought that the Virgin islands had a President, drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane, allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing, rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos, pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID, rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers, held blatant campaign rallies at the White House, tried to take away millions of Americans’ health insurance because the law was named for a Black man, refused to attend his successors’ inauguration, nominated the worst Education Secretary in history, threatened judges who didn’t do what he wanted, attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci, promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn’t), allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues, struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble, called an African-American Congresswoman “low IQ,” threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders, went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic, claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were “witch hunts,” seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution, demanded “total loyalty” from the FBI director, praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles, completely gutted the Voice of America, placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service, claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower, suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country, suggested that COVID wasn’t that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public, overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported, reduced the number of refugees the US accepts, insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames, gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address, named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who’d previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties, eliminated the White House office of pandemic response, used soldiers as campaign props, fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him, demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade, hired a shit ton of white nationalists, politicized the civil service, did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government, falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts, claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won, insulted reporters of color, insulted women reporters, insulted women reporters of color, suggested he was fine with China’s oppression of the Uighurs, attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him, summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election, spent countless hours every day watching Fox News, refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas, hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer, tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him, acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney, attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault, held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present, didn’t disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media, stopped holding press briefings for months at a time, “ordered” US companies to leave China even though he has no such power, led a political party that couldn’t even be bothered to draft a policy platform, claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers, tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course, suggested that the government nuke hurricanes, suggested that wind turbines cause cancer, said that he had a special aptitude for science, fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure, blurted out classified information to Russian officials, tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida, fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban, hired Stephen Miller, openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them, interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel, abandoned Iraqi refugees who’d helped the U.S. during the war, tried to get Russia back into the G7, held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden, seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive, lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated, falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren’t, shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies, still hasn’t come up with a healthcare plan, still hasn’t come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated “Infrastructure Weeks,” forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID, told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” fucked up the Census, withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic, did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule “President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings,” allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act, seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win, constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump, claimed Andrew Jackson could’ve stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened, said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake, claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him, claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President, created a commission to whitewash American history, retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain, claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn’t have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there, hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims, had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others, bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties, apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House, stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians, falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police, said that the head of the CDC didn’t know what he was talking about, tried to rescind protection from DREAMers, gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic, tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax, said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn’t count blue states, deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented, claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln, touted a “super-duper” secret “hydrosonic” missile which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all, retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile, forced through security clearances for his family, suggested that police officers should rough up suspects, suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs, tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender, suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher, nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy, retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called “Fuck tha Police” at a campaign event, hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags, accused Democrats of “treason” for not applauding his State of the Union address, claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were “spending too much time” on Russia, mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasey Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, obsessed over low-flow toilets, ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren’t any to release, called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead For th record: Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek), hijacked Washington’s July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech, took advice from the MyPillow guy, claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists, said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure, never seemed to heed the advice of his wife’s “Be Best” campaign, falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent, announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest, insulted the leader of Canada, insulted the leader of France, insulted the leader of Britain, insulted the leader of Germany, insulted the leader of Sweden (Sweden!!), falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues, blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually, continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders, said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their “Sony televisions” if the US were ever attacked, left a NATO summit early in a huff, stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that, called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise, and a whole bunch of other things I can’t remember at the moment.
But other than that. . .”
plz copy and paste. Whoever wrote this deserves credit. I don’t know who that is.

The saddest part is, the writer didn't have to research this too much because we all lived it.
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[Lefty Specialist]

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

Wait, he redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle? Why was I not informed of this?

[MFS62]

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

Wait, he redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle? Why was I not informed of this?

I found one error in it.
The Secretary of State didn't call him a moron. He called him a "fucking moron".

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