TWiB Notes - Sept 23 - 29

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TWiB Notes - Sept 23 - 29

Post by Frayed Knot » Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:09 pm

Six games left for all the NL WC contenders.
The only difference is that Arizona plays Monday and has Thursday off while SDP, ATL, NYM all have Monday off before playing six straight ... barring rain outs.
(imagine the turmoil a rain out would have this coming week for anyone!)

ARZ: Home to SFG Mon, Tue, Wed. Then home for SDP Fri, Sat, Sun, at which point we might all become real big Sandy Eggo fans.

SDP: @LAD (Tue, Wed, Thu) then @ ARZ for the closing weekend.
And the Pads are only 3.0 G in back of LAD who needed three in the 7th today then b-t-b 9th inning HRs from Ohtani and Mookie (walk-off) to come back on Rox
so that might become another factor in this whole deal.

ATL: home to Mets, then home to Royals
Be nice of KCR finds themselves still in the thick of the AL WC chase by the final weekend.
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Post by Benjamin Grimm » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:46 am

Frayed Knot wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:09 pm Be nice of KCR finds themselves still in the thick of the AL WC chase by the final weekend.
It will be even nicer if those games don't matter!
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Post by Gwreck » Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:25 pm

Lots of interesting developments:

1. Giants opened up a 4-0 lead on Arizona.

2. Dodgers with an early 1-0 lead on San Diego.

3. Baltimore clinches a playoff berth
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Post by Frayed Knot » Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:31 pm

7 - 0 Giants in the top of the 3rd in Phoenix
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Post by Gwreck » Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:14 pm

10-0 Giants after 5. Thanks, fellas.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:52 pm

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Post by Frayed Knot » Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:57 pm

Most innings pitched this year: 204-2/3 - Seth Lugo
Whoda thunk it?
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Post by Frayed Knot » Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:53 am

Padres clinch at least a WC spot and draw a game closer to the Dodgers by beating LAD 4-2 thanks mainly to a game-ending 5-4-3 triple play!!
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Post by Edgy MD » Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:43 am

Pirates release Rowdy Tellez, four plate appearances short of triggering a $200K contract bonus.

The lawsuits that ensue will undoubtedly cost both sides more than $200K in legal fees.
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Post by Gwreck » Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:21 am

Edgy MD wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:43 amThe lawsuits that ensue will undoubtedly cost both sides more than $200K in legal fees.
This is not legal advice, but it’s extremely unlikely there would be a lawsuit. He would file a grievance under the CBA procedures and maybe there would be a hearing but the chances of going to court are very slim.
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Post by Edgy MD » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:28 pm

Yeah, you're undoubtedly right, and I'm undoubtedly exaggerating. If the complaint comes to a hearing, it'll likely be be litigated by lawyers already on retainer and adjudicated by an independent arbitrator. While the niggling amount of money may or may not be less than the expense, it's largely an expense that's already been paid anyhow.

And I'll guess that either by agreement or arbitrator's decision, the Pirates will end up paying half.
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Post by Centerfield » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:36 pm

Edgy MD wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:28 pm Yeah, you're undoubtedly right, and I'm undoubtedly exaggerating. If the complaint comes to a hearing, it'll likely be be litigated by lawyers already on retainer and adjudicated by an independent arbitrator. While the niggling amount of money may or may not be less than the expense, it's largely an expense that's already been paid anyhow.

And I'll guess that either by agreement or arbitrator's decision, the Pirates will end up paying half.
It would also be good to bring to light the very shitty bad faith conduct of the organization. I wonder if there's no way to write that contract so that the bonus kicks in if the club releases a healthy player that is reasonably projected to hit that milestone.
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Post by Gwreck » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:50 pm

Edgy MD wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:28 pmAnd I'll guess that either by agreement or arbitrator's decision, the Pirates will end up paying half
I bet that’s right, and while they may never admit it, the Pirates may well have priced that in when making the decision.
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Post by Gwreck » Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:54 pm

Centerfield wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:36 pmIt would also be good to bring to light the very shitty bad faith conduct of the organization. I wonder if there's no way to write that contract so that the bonus kicks in if the club releases a healthy player that is reasonably projected to hit that milestone.
I saw one take about the decision that suggested this was going to hurt their chances of signing FAs in the future.

I recall the Mets released Alex Cora in 2010 when they were facing the possibility of another year on his contract vesting if he appeared in 80 games. The Mets released Cora (who was at -0.6 WAR at the time) after he played in 62 games.
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Post by Edgy MD » Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:17 pm

I also remember Pedro Astacio having a great first half and falling apart in the second half. Despite start after start being of the three-innings-six-runs variety, Bobby Valentine kept sending him out there until he reached enough innings to trigger the vesting clause that would guarantee him a second season under contract with the team, shortly after which, he finally admitted he was hurt.
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Post by batmagadanleadoff » Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:28 pm

The way I see it, a team should be given tremendous leeway in making roster decisions and always, the benefit of the doubt. Who the hell is an arbitrator to question how a team manages its roster or why a team cuts a player? Maybe he sucks. Maybe the team wants to save money. If the team cuts a player, he's expendable, isn't he? What next? The team is taken to court or an arbitration because it pinch-hit Winker instead of Torrens?

I remember this issue coming up with the Mets and K-Rod. I think it had to do with the number of saves KRod accumulated. What? The Mets were obligated to save all of the save opportunities for K-Rod? What nonsense.
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Post by Edgy MD » Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:30 pm

You're knocking down an argument nobody is making.

I doubt salary bonuses or vesting options can even be fixed to the number of saves a player gets.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:38 pm

Arizona up on SFG 4-1 in the 3rd, still batting.
Zach Gallen and Mason Black (whoever he is) on the mound.
Mason just pulled.
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Post by Edgy MD » Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:38 pm

Earlier in the week, Colton Cowser, in hot pursuit of a fly ball down the line, in the heat of a playoff chase, went smashing into the protective netting, and then checked to make sure he didn't wake the baby.

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Post by Benjamin Grimm » Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:43 pm

That's really nice.
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Post by batmagadanleadoff » Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:42 pm

Luis Arraez goes 1 for 3 to finish the season with a .314 batting average, good enough for his third straight batting title and in the process, denies Shohei Ohtani his bid for the NL triple crown. Ohtani ended this season with a .310 batting average.
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