Who's Your Veep?
Re: Who's Your Veep?
That's ... that's beautiful.
- TheNextMetsManager
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:29 pm
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Lefty Specialist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 6:51 pm AOC? No. Just no.
Shapiro, Newsom, Whitmer and the others will be keeping their powder dry for 2028 or 2032.
As for Pete, you're not going to add a gay man to a black woman on a ticket. That's asking for trouble.
Roy Cooper of North Carolina could be an interesting pick as NC is gettable in the presidential election.
yes old white conservative men. That's the answer. That'll fix this country. lol.
- Chad ochoseis
- Posts: 1293
- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:16 am
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Newsom is not an option because of the 12th Amendment, which (weirdly) specifies that an elector cannot vote for both a President and a Vice President who come from the same state as the elector.
As much as I'd love to see Trump and Trumpism get smashed into orange marmalade all over the USA, Job 1 is winning in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Win those, plus the Nebraska congressional district that includes Omaha, plus all the states that the Democrats are expected to carry, and that gets Kamala to 270.
I'm not certain who can help the most across those states, but I suspect it's Whitmer. She's experienced, successful, and wildly popular in Michigan.
Sherrod Brown would be fantastic. But he's too valuable in Ohio.
As much as I'd love to see Trump and Trumpism get smashed into orange marmalade all over the USA, Job 1 is winning in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Win those, plus the Nebraska congressional district that includes Omaha, plus all the states that the Democrats are expected to carry, and that gets Kamala to 270.
I'm not certain who can help the most across those states, but I suspect it's Whitmer. She's experienced, successful, and wildly popular in Michigan.
Sherrod Brown would be fantastic. But he's too valuable in Ohio.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. - Richard Feynman
- metsmarathon
- Posts: 2114
- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:35 pm
Re: Who's Your Veep?
mark kelly is an interesting pick. i rather like it, for the reasons stated.
i do think there's some juice to be squeezed by having a veteran on the ticket, and bonus points i would hope that he's a damned astronaut. not that we seem to hold intelligence and accomplishment in great esteem anymore, but that shit's gotta count for something.
i don't think you win this election by pulling someone from the coasts. you need someone close to the middle, or at least appealing to the middle, to draw in those independent votes. jeffries doesn't do that. i was originally thinking whitmer makes a great ticket. mark kelly does too.
whoever it is, i hope they figure it out soon, and that there's broad support within the party for the ticket. the worst thing that can happen is in-fighting at this point. i do hope there's robust discussion regarding the relative strengths of each of the possible candidates - without focusing on electability concerns like "oh noes another black man, or a gay man, or another woman" as it makes the selection process sound more like a DEI bingo card, when if you're making out an electability bingo card, i hope it's about policy. at the very least just to eliminate that talking point.
i do think there's some juice to be squeezed by having a veteran on the ticket, and bonus points i would hope that he's a damned astronaut. not that we seem to hold intelligence and accomplishment in great esteem anymore, but that shit's gotta count for something.
i don't think you win this election by pulling someone from the coasts. you need someone close to the middle, or at least appealing to the middle, to draw in those independent votes. jeffries doesn't do that. i was originally thinking whitmer makes a great ticket. mark kelly does too.
whoever it is, i hope they figure it out soon, and that there's broad support within the party for the ticket. the worst thing that can happen is in-fighting at this point. i do hope there's robust discussion regarding the relative strengths of each of the possible candidates - without focusing on electability concerns like "oh noes another black man, or a gay man, or another woman" as it makes the selection process sound more like a DEI bingo card, when if you're making out an electability bingo card, i hope it's about policy. at the very least just to eliminate that talking point.
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Whitmer is a better choice than Kelly because she is a term limited governor whereas Kelly is an incumbent senator in a purple state. Giving up your incumbency in a purple state would be foolish for the partymetsmarathon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:39 am mark kelly is an interesting pick. i rather like it, for the reasons stated.
i do think there's some juice to be squeezed by having a veteran on the ticket, and bonus points i would hope that he's a damned astronaut. not that we seem to hold intelligence and accomplishment in great esteem anymore, but that shit's gotta count for something.
i don't think you win this election by pulling someone from the coasts. you need someone close to the middle, or at least appealing to the middle, to draw in those independent votes. jeffries doesn't do that. i was originally thinking whitmer makes a great ticket. mark kelly does too.
whoever it is, i hope they figure it out soon, and that there's broad support within the party for the ticket. the worst thing that can happen is in-fighting at this point. i do hope there's robust discussion regarding the relative strengths of each of the possible candidates - without focusing on electability concerns like "oh noes another black man, or a gay man, or another woman" as it makes the selection process sound more like a DEI bingo card, when if you're making out an electability bingo card, i hope it's about policy. at the very least just to eliminate that talking point.
Re: Who's Your Veep?
I would hope that winning the presidency is a priority for The Democratic Party. And by "winning the presidency," I mean "keeping the former president from winning the presidency."
All states are purple, as far as I'm concerned.
All states are purple, as far as I'm concerned.
- metsmarathon
- Posts: 2114
- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:35 pm
Re: Who's Your Veep?
yeah, that's the big risk with kelly. you could lose both.nymr83 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:22 amWhitmer is a better choice than Kelly because she is a term limited governor whereas Kelly is an incumbent senator in a purple state. Giving up your incumbency in a purple state would be foolish for the partymetsmarathon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:39 am mark kelly is an interesting pick. i rather like it, for the reasons stated.
i do think there's some juice to be squeezed by having a veteran on the ticket, and bonus points i would hope that he's a damned astronaut. not that we seem to hold intelligence and accomplishment in great esteem anymore, but that shit's gotta count for something.
i don't think you win this election by pulling someone from the coasts. you need someone close to the middle, or at least appealing to the middle, to draw in those independent votes. jeffries doesn't do that. i was originally thinking whitmer makes a great ticket. mark kelly does too.
whoever it is, i hope they figure it out soon, and that there's broad support within the party for the ticket. the worst thing that can happen is in-fighting at this point. i do hope there's robust discussion regarding the relative strengths of each of the possible candidates - without focusing on electability concerns like "oh noes another black man, or a gay man, or another woman" as it makes the selection process sound more like a DEI bingo card, when if you're making out an electability bingo card, i hope it's about policy. at the very least just to eliminate that talking point.
on the other hand, he really does offer a profound counterpoint to brave brave donald trump who "
- Bob Alpacadaca
- Posts: 408
- Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:21 pm
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Whitmer endorsed Harris, said she won't be a choice for vice president on the ticket.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 497595007/
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 497595007/
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Is America ready to get past their horrid prejudices against bald guys? Senator Kelly's résumé projects badass, but I'm not as sure that his presence does.
We're had many receding hairlines among our commanders in chief, but only three outright bald eagles — Presidents John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, and Dwight David Eisenhower. The first had legacy on his side, and the last won World War II.
President John Adams gets a grudging pass by wigging up for his official portrait.
More seriously, a presidential campaign would bring his wife back out into the spotlight. That may or may not be really effective, but I'm not sure how healthy or fair that would be to her.
We're had many receding hairlines among our commanders in chief, but only three outright bald eagles — Presidents John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, and Dwight David Eisenhower. The first had legacy on his side, and the last won World War II.
President John Adams gets a grudging pass by wigging up for his official portrait.
More seriously, a presidential campaign would bring his wife back out into the spotlight. That may or may not be really effective, but I'm not sure how healthy or fair that would be to her.
- Benjamin Grimm
- Posts: 8367
- Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:01 pm
Re: Who's Your Veep?
When was the last time we had anyone with facial hair (as JD Vance does) on a major party presidential ticket?
Al Gore had to wait until his political career was over before he grew a beard. And I'm pretty sure it was Jesse Jackson's mustache in 1984 that kept him from becoming president. What else could it have been?
Al Gore had to wait until his political career was over before he grew a beard. And I'm pretty sure it was Jesse Jackson's mustache in 1984 that kept him from becoming president. What else could it have been?
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Would you believe I just read an article in the NYT this morning about that
The last bearded man elected president of the United States was Benjamin Harrison, in 1888. The last president with any facial hair whatsoever was William Howard Taft, elected in 1908. The last vice president with a mustache was Charles Curtis, who was Herbert Hoover’s veep. And the last major party candidate to try to break that clean-shaven streak was Thomas E. Dewey, who had a dapper little caterpillar on his upper lip and ran, unsuccessfully, for the highest office in 1944 and 1948.
J.D. Vance, Breaking the Beard Barrier https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/styl ... roid-share
The last bearded man elected president of the United States was Benjamin Harrison, in 1888. The last president with any facial hair whatsoever was William Howard Taft, elected in 1908. The last vice president with a mustache was Charles Curtis, who was Herbert Hoover’s veep. And the last major party candidate to try to break that clean-shaven streak was Thomas E. Dewey, who had a dapper little caterpillar on his upper lip and ran, unsuccessfully, for the highest office in 1944 and 1948.
J.D. Vance, Breaking the Beard Barrier https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/styl ... roid-share
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Wearing a beard that looks like the one U.S.Grant wore might not win any votes in Dixie from any who still think they won the Civil War.
Later
Later
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"I love this shit" - Jesse Winker
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"I love this shit" - Jesse Winker
Re: Who's Your Veep?
We need to bring beards back. And maybe those wigs they all used to wear.
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Kelly brings the bonus of having an identical twin, who is also a retired naval aviator and astronaut, which could make for some fun "Is that really the Vice President?" intrigue.
Heck, you could add Alexander Vindman to the White House staff and the comic pranks would never end!
Heck, you could add Alexander Vindman to the White House staff and the comic pranks would never end!
- Johnny Lunchbucket
- Posts: 11406
- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:02 am
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Read where some feel William McRaven would be a savvy VP pick, going centrist where Trump went hard right with the VP.
Re: Who's Your Veep?
That would be stunning. Who are those some?
As with any military leader who hasn't served in elected office, most of his domestic policy/social policy positions are a mystery.
He has a great record as far as showing President Trump for the un-American fraud that he is. He hasn't minced words.
As with any military leader who hasn't served in elected office, most of his domestic policy/social policy positions are a mystery.
He has a great record as far as showing President Trump for the un-American fraud that he is. He hasn't minced words.
- Lefty Specialist
- Posts: 5908
- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:36 pm
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Yes, adding a member of The Squad to the ticket will 'fix' things. lol.TheNextMetsManager wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:16 pmLefty Specialist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 6:51 pm AOC? No. Just no.
Shapiro, Newsom, Whitmer and the others will be keeping their powder dry for 2028 or 2032.
As for Pete, you're not going to add a gay man to a black woman on a ticket. That's asking for trouble.
Roy Cooper of North Carolina could be an interesting pick as NC is gettable in the presidential election.
yes old white conservative men. That's the answer. That'll fix this country. lol.
In the real America, electing a woman is not a sure thing, regardless of how qualified she may be. Putting two on the same ticket magnifies the risk. And the risk here is existential in the form of Trump. Roy Cooper is as liberal as they get in North Carolina, and got elected twice when Trump carried the state. Also was an attorney general who worked with Kamala when she was AG in California. He's pro-choice and on the right side of all the issues. He's not a 34-year-old Latina, but he'll do.
There's a vetting process going on as we speak, headed by former Attorney General Eric Holder. Not sure a McRaven would make the cut. Not enough of a policy record.
Even duct tape can't fix stupid. But it can sure muffle the sound.
- Johnny Lunchbucket
- Posts: 11406
- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:02 am
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Linkedin post from a guy I know who works for a centrist thinktank. They primarily believe McRaven should be the prez, and that the DNC knows thisEdgy MD wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:23 am That would be stunning. Who are those some?
As with any military leader who hasn't served in elected office, most of his domestic policy/social policy positions are a mystery.
He has a great record as far as showing President Trump for the un-American fraud that he is. He hasn't minced words.
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Report on ABC News has it down to Kelly and Shapiro
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Shapiro would help deliver a key "swing" state. The right wing bigots are already spitting fire over a woman of color. Would having a Jewish Vice Presidential running mate lose or win any of those voters? Any other voters? I think it would be dicey.
I'm not sure of the impact Kelly would have on delivering states, but IMO he would be less of a target to the loonies.
Later
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"I love this shit" - Jesse Winker
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"I love this shit" - Jesse Winker
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Who cares what the loonies on the far left or right think? You are trying to convince undecided/persuadable voters in swing states, not the "loonies"MFS62 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:22 pmShapiro would help deliver a key "swing" state. The right wing bigots are already spitting fire over a woman of color. Would having a Jewish Vice Presidential running mate lose or win any of those voters? Any other voters? I think it would be dicey.
I'm not sure of the impact Kelly would have on delivering states, but IMO he would be less of a target to the loonies.
Later
- Frayed Knot
- Posts: 14854
- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:12 pm
Re: Who's Your Veep?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-m ... ala-harrisThe initial round of GOP attacks on presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris have so far been scattershot, inconsistent, self-contradictory, and often comical. But we’ve seen it all before, and we know how this works.
The volume and intensity of the attacks – deeply suffused with misogyny and racism – represent 1,000 trial balloons. Some will pop on their own and others will get shot down immediately, but eventually a few will get through the blitz of counterattacks. Those few will offer a clue as to what “works,” and they’ll form the basis for additional rounds of attacks playing off of the same theme or underlying premise, however false it may be.
Repeated often enough, the attacks will slowly accrete into a “thing” that unsophisticated editors and reporters notice. They start asking questions about it. Their questions may seem benign and the early round of stories often tepid (I promise you that before the week is out a reporter is going to grab ahold of the attacks on Harris as a “DEI hire” and use them as a peg to write more generally about DEI), but gradually the “thing” becomes a narrative.
and This one has an imbedded video:
https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala- ... ans-2024-7
Later
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"I love this shit" - Jesse Winker
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"I love this shit" - Jesse Winker
Re: Who's Your Veep?
Admiral McRaven has pulled his name from consideration. One down!
Re: Who's Your Veep?
99 times out of 100 when someone publicly "pulls their name from consideration" for running mate, a cabinet appointment, an ambassadorship, etc it is because they already privately learned that they are not on the list :)