Twenty-One Prediction Fun: Francisco Lindor

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I predict they meet in the middle

[Fman99]

I agree. I also think it'll be closer to the $325m figure than the $385m one. Lindor wants to start on the good foot, not be the guy who rejected one of the biggest contract offers ever. That's what I'm thinking. Eleven years, $343m, something like that.

[ashie62]

325, 385?

What's many millions amongst friends.

this will happen.

On to Conforto, who should have been addressed first.

[Edgy MD]

I'm sure the team would have liked that, but frequently markets are set from the ceiling down.

[Benjamin Grimm]

A twelve-year contract would take him through his age-38 year. (He'll turn 39 the November after the 2032 season ends.)

I guess $32 million might not seem like a lot of money (relatively speaking, of course) by 2032, but that still sounds like it would be a lot of money for a 38-year-old shortstop. I'm not sure what they should do here. I just hope they don't go into the free agent shortstop market next year and end up treating all of these free-agent shortstops like the did J.T. Realmuto and end up with whoever the shortstop version of James McCann is.

[kcmets]

I doubt there's 'demands' going on, but it's The Post.

Newsday, actually.

Remember those commercials, 'Reading, it's fundamental?'

[smg58]

I doubt there's 'demands' going on, but it's The Post.

It's not a "demand" in the sense that Lindor might be stomping his feet, raising his voice, making threats and throwing an all-around tantrum as he asks for what he's askin' for. It's a contract term. Lindor's request for an amount of money is "a demand" in the language of contracts. "Offer' is self-explanatory. So you've got an offer and a demand. And when the offer and demand are the same, that'll lead to a contract.

Exactly. Lindor is not demanding whole lot more than I'm comfortable with giving him. Assuming Cohen feels the same way, I don't see why meeting him in the middle won't get it done to both sides' satisfaction.

[Edgy MD]

It's hard for a fan to see it from this point of view, but management tends to hold more cards than the player at this point.

But man, that Fernando Tatis deal really futzes up the calculus.

[G-Fafif]

Steve would still like to hire him for the long haul.

https://x.com/stevenacohen2/statu ... 57795?s=21

[ashie62]

Funny, that tweet sounds as if Lindor has his "final offer" from Stevie

[Centerfield]

The Mets offer is fair. I hope he signs too.

[Edgy MD]

There are other ways to close gaps besides tacking on money and years. One can bump up the opt-out date by a year, or one can add the ever-popular vesting option. Incentive bonuses are a possibility also.

[Ceetar]

or you could whine on Twitter.

[Edgy MD]

I would probably skip that step.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Could Francisco Lindor be the Best All-Around Mets Player Ever? - The New York Times

Hernandez and Strawberry. Reyes and Wright. Lindor?

Francisco Lindor hasn’t committed to the Mets beyond this season, but he has the talent and track record to match up with the best all-around players in franchise history.


Excerpt:

In six seasons with Cleveland, Francisco Lindor showcased a multifaceted set of skills that, packaged underneath an irrepressible passion and an enchanting smile, combined to make him one of the most exciting, charismatic and winning players in baseball.

Beginning Thursday, Lindor will put that total package on display for the Mets, with a chance to do something even more profound. Given his age, talent and apparent dedication to the sport, and provided he eventually signs with the club long term, Lindor, 27, has a chance to become the best all-around position player the Mets have ever had.

“He could exceed them all,” said Bobby Valentine, who since 1977 has played, coached, managed and been a television analyst for the Mets. “His toolbox has the best set of tools, I think, of anyone who has ever played for the Mets.”

Mike Piazza hit the ball farther and had a better batting average, but was not a top-notch defender or runner. Carlos Beltran was the best free-agent signing in franchise history, but he broke down some after his first four years with the team. Darryl Strawberry hit the ball to the moon, and had the speed to steal bases, but he was less consistent at the plate and could not match Lindor’s defense.

Jose Reyes had the speed and the smile, David Wright put up some top-tier years and Keith Hernandez had an undeniable all-around impact on the 1986 championship team.

[***]

Ron Darling, the former Mets pitcher turned broadcaster, said Hernandez was the best he ever played with. Hernandez’s rare combination of offensive and defensive skills, plus his unparalleled knowledge of the game, instincts, performance in clutch situations and his standing as an admired teammate, made Hernandez stand apart.

“Lindor has those qualities,” said Darling, who has watched Lindor play since he first came to the big leagues in 2015. “He has to stick around and do it, but there is the opportunity for Lindor to one day go into the Hall of Fame in a Mets hat. That could happen, that’s how good he is.”

The statistics already shimmer on Lindor’s Baseball Reference page, tantalizing Mets fans who see him as the foundation of the future, as long as the Mets can sign him to a contract extension, either now or at the end of the season....

Read it all at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/spor ... -mets.html

[Benjamin Grimm]

It would be more fun to think about this kind of stuff if we knew he was going to be sticking around.

I just hope he doesn't start hearing good things about the Denver public school system.

[Edgy MD]

If you thinky about it, the well timed period of excellence of Denver Public Schools is probably the best stroke of luck the Mets have had since the Seaver lottery.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Let's not forget Whitey Herzog's disdain for Keith Hernandez.

[Fman99]

Let him ask Jose Reyes how he felt about his decision to take more money from the Marlins and end up miserable in Florida, Colorado, Toronto, etc., all for just trying to max out on value.

[batmagadanleadoff]

If you thinky about it, the well timed period of excellence of Denver Public Schools is probably the best stroke of luck the Mets have had since the Seaver lottery.

Would the Mets have selected David Wright first over Aaron Heilman if they didn't have a compensation sandwich pick that year? I have no idea. Maybe the Mets had Wright higher up on their board --- but they drafted Wright second only because they thought that Wright would, likely, still be available.

Just spitballin'.

[Ceetar]

fuck that Carlos Beltran slander.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I know it's probably sour grapes but read there was some concerns around Lindors effort last year in Cleveland. I try and remind myself of these incidents among the barrage of "best ever" stories that invariably accompany the new guy/rookie

[Ceetar]

I know it's probably sour grapes but read there was some concerns around Lindors effort last year in Cleveland. I try and remind myself of these incidents among the barrage of "best ever" stories that invariably accompany the new guy/rookie

he made a quote to Mets reporters about not giving it 100% in the weight room in the second half last year.

This guy at least thinks that was just an excuse.

https://www.si.com/mlb/indians/opinion/ ... -from-2020


Lindor did play all 60 games. Maybe they should've just given him a day or two off instead.

[Ceetar]

You may think it's just a joke that Steve Cohen pisses away 60 million like it's nothing to him, but like, he bought a fucking mylar balloon bunny for 91 million.

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[batmagadanleadoff]

He's worth about $15 billion. You could steal $100M from Cohen and he wouldn't even notice without scrutinizing his statements. He can buy anything he wants. Jeez. $30M a year for Lindor to Cohen is like pizza pie money to me and you.

Oh, and Cohen can sign Lindor and bemoan letting Bauer get away all at the same time, which was my original main point a little while ago in the Bauer Douchebag thread.

Walk. And chew gum. And walk. And chew gum.